(01-19-2021, 10:15 PM)fifteenth Wrote: Judges make mistakes. I don't believe, in this instance, that dozens of judges made the same mistake. You can read what the judges said and wrote. In several instances the judges spoke of the scarcity of evidence brought, not as you say, the abundance of evidence. Many layers were rebuked by judges for wasting the court's time with a lack of evidence.
I don't understand your first amendment comment.
And regarding half the country being deceived: it's saddening and frightening. But I think they've been primed to be deceived by Trump because Trump has been telling them they can't trust our institutions for years, Republicans have been sowing seeds of that mistrust for decades in exchange for votes, and the right (voters) hates the left so much that they'll believe almost anything right leaning websites tell them (see QAnon)
When did I say anything about
Quote:not as you say, the abundance of evidence.
Are you reading into my statements something other than what I actually said?
If you impugn millions your fellow citizens motives
I guess you assume there's no real rationale to their thinking. That can't really be rationally debated. You've read their hearts and minds, and I guess you're pretty sure about what their motives are and how they developed. Its a little like asking 'how often do you beat your wife'?
On the other hand with a comparatively tiny amount of judges you're saying its mildly possible a few could make a mistake
as though they could have no other motive but those that are pure. Uh. Ok.
You do also realize that many of those judges didn't examine evidence at all, no matter what or who was brought to them, right?
They were dismissed based on legal arguments
like timing and standing, such as the Supreme Court's dismissal of the case from Texas and 20+ other states. The rulings had nothing at all do with examining evidence.
You knew that right?
You already said you haven't actually examined the evidence yourself and that you essentially simply trust and put your faith in the judges, whatever they say is enough I guess. Ok then, that's good enough for you, but maybe millions of other would have like to seen what was presented
to those judges for themselves? Maybe some of them actually did their own research? Maybe?
You never really addressed my point at all about the need to examine and vet potential evidence with an appropriate amount of time and effort and to do it publicly. You're evidently satisfied to have certain individuals do it privately, write up some explanation for you to read then have you simply trust them. I guess that works if you're already predisposed to a position anyway.
Again, I haven't argued the actual politics here nor did I bring up specific evidences one way or the other. I've really just argued about proven principals of evidence and investigation, principals now getting corrupted, badly. I was interested in your thinking as to why you think
so many might feel and think radically differently. You gave me your position I suppose. Thanks.