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The future of center play in the NBA
#41
Oh, yeah. I was there. Hated it. Definitely don't remember any thread about Luka being satanic. Guess I missed out. 

I kind of still miss Yuku, tbh.


#42
(09-19-2020, 12:21 AM)KillerLeft Wrote: Oh, yeah. I was there. Hated it. Definitely don't remember any thread about Luka being satanic. Guess I missed out. 

I kind of still miss Yuku, tbh.
That thread was also called out by Cato I think in one of his articles on the Mavs...
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Luka is 20 years old in his 2nd season and is a serious MVP candidate already... Halleluka...


#43
Does anyone have a link to it though? Does it still exist?


#44
(09-19-2020, 12:37 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Does anyone have a link to it though? Does it still exist?
Checked earlier to make sure that everything from 24/7 has been deleted...
Luka is 20 years old in his 2nd season and is a serious MVP candidate already... Halleluka...


#45
Well, don't keep me in suspense, pals. What did we learn? Is Luka a Satanist? 

I need to know, because I want to convert to whatever church he follows.


#46
Sometimes I want to go back to the old dallasbasketball.com/yuku days and just wade through the threads. There was good activity going on, along with some humour and plenty of gifs (good luck cats gifs). tis is life


#47
(09-19-2020, 01:01 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Well, don't keep me in suspense, pals. What did we learn? Is Luka a Satanist? 

I need to know, because I want to convert to whatever church he follows.
It started when a poster thought Luka had a Satanic tattoo and thought he needed help...then it went down the wormhole into is God, Jesus, and Bible are real and true or not...went on over a month of off-season after the draft...

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#48
(09-19-2020, 12:56 PM)ClutchDirk Wrote:
(09-19-2020, 12:37 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Does anyone have a link to it though? Does it still exist?
Checked earlier to make sure that everything from 24/7 has been deleted...

Yeah, that thread is gone, I have reference links but they are broken now.  It was actually a question about the meaning of Luka's tattoos which the OP thought might be non-Christian in nature but not necessarily "Satanic".  It was also a plea from the OP to Harrison Barnes to talk with Luka about Jesus and salvation at the time because Harrison was known to be an outspoken Christian.  

I do think I still have saved excerpts since I was pretty active in it and shared discussions I also engage in other places.  Message me if anyone is particularly interested and I'll check my sources.
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#49
But the most fun part of the thread, in my opinion, was the evolution and the Bible conversation.


#50
Nice post KL. I think the takeaway should be that - the game is moving to all 5 players being able to do everything. It’s often not possible but it’s the goal. It’s not just about the center position (even though that’s where the big change looks to be happening). Just look at Luka for example. Size wise he’s a traditional 3, but he’s our point guard. He’s one of the best rebounders on the team, yet he plays the position often responsible for the least rebounds. It’s all about flexibility and guys being able to do many things well. Look at Maxi. He doesn’t come off as the best player in the world but he has flexibility. Can play 4/5, inside/outside, guard bigger or smaller and can switch on D. No reason why he can’t be as good as someone like Daniel Theis, who does a good enough job on that.

Another important point i think is Boban and guys like him still have a place. Back to my original point that it’s about flexibility. Just because Boban doesn’t fit today’s game well doesn’t mean rick can’t use his skills to create mismatches. Teams like the rockets who can only play small ball are at a disadvantage. Having MANY options to win will give rick an edge. It’s why i believe our goal will be to create the deepest team in the league with the most diverse set of talent


#51
(09-20-2020, 09:28 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: Another important point i think is Boban and guys like him still have a place. Back to my original point that it’s about flexibility. Just because Boban doesn’t fit today’s game well doesn’t mean rick can’t use his skills to create mismatches. Teams like the rockets who can only play small ball are at a disadvantage. Having MANY options to win will give rick an edge.

Totally agree.


#52
(09-20-2020, 09:28 AM)Jason Terry Wrote: Nice post KL. I think the takeaway should be that - the game is moving to all 5 players being able to do everything. It’s often not possible but it’s the goal. It’s not just about the center position (even though that’s where the big change looks to be happening).

In a generalized sense, this movement has already occurred and is just continuing.   In a generalized sense its true. More players of this type are playing the leading roles on the floor for more minutes on the floor. 

This is not true  in any absolute sense.  The exceptions are still very important, in fact they are often the difference makers as all the teams are trying to play the same way.  The outcome of many games is based on individual talents one roster has over another. 

I gave examples earlier, which wasn't addressed of course ... 

Javale McGee and Dwight Howard do not shoot 3's or basically shoot from the perimeter. 
They are not small ball centers. They don't do everything.  Lebron James is very high BBIQ and handpicked his roster.  Javale went from the Mavericks, where Carlisle was sure to keep underusing him, to a team that used him with specificity at the right times and contributed to TWO NBA championships.  
Now he's contributing to possibly a 3rd championship team. 

Quote:Another important point i think is Boban and guys like him still have a place. Back to my original point that it’s about flexibility.

Just because Boban doesn’t fit today’s game well doesn’t mean rick can’t use his skills to create mismatches. Teams like the rockets who can only play small ball are at a disadvantage. Having MANY options to win will give rick an edge. It’s why i believe our goal will be to create the deepest team in the league with the most diverse set of talent

This actually my point.  An exceptional talent like Boban doesn't grow on trees. Not every team has one. That is a mismatch opportunity. It is not to be used the old way.  As I said before Shaq would still be an awesome weapon, but he game would change to fit the scenarios today, assuming his coach would use him.  Rolleyes  Marjanovic could have used with specificity in smart spurts to a much greater advantage. The best use of flexibility is in recognizing the mismatches your team can exploit and when they can exploit them. 

In my 1-Mav-Advantage-vs-Clippers thread I pointed out how Jokic's with his size and skill gave Denver a decisive matchup advantage they could use against LA. It was basically the same advantage which Dallas failed to use. Size.  
Of course a big part of that was due to KP's injury but the other part of it was demonstrable failure to exploit the other big sized advantaged player who was posting more +'s in his time on the floor than most other Mavs. 

I also posted in that thread that Jokic's advantage would be much more difficult if not impossible to exploit against the Lakers because the same reason. Size.  Jokic could not bully ball his way against the Lakers because they knew when to use the traditional size on their roster.  They rarely used McGee and used Howard even less against small ball Houston because the Lakers built a flexible roster that can play small and play big.    
They still had Anthony Davis with size that was unstoppable for Houston's less flexible roster so they could match Houston's small ball with skilled guards/wings and still hold a size advantage when it worked for them.  Now McGee and Howard are having significant impact again against Denver and Jokic. 

With Jokic, Denver now has to be flexible and reach back into it's bag of strategic tricks because Jokic's inside/out game isn't nearly as easy to work.  Both McGee and Howard now came into the mix and with devastating effect. Denver has to do something different against the flexible Lakers roster versus the star studded but less flexible Clippers.
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#53
Saving this article here for future reference. This is an example of what is NOT the future of center play in the NBA.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-d...azers-win/
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#54
Here's a simple method of getting KP involved in creating shots for others. It's easy to see how this could be recreated with THJ and Curry. 

I feel like KP has the rare skill at that position to do this, but whatever it is, they need to find SOMETHING to get him involved as more than a spacer. 

Believe it or not, I think KP struggles with screening. It really could be that simple. 

https://youtu.be/u1Hu46CPLCo
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#55
If I remember it correctly, the "satanist" thread started with the OP begging anyone who may have connections with Harrison Barnes, to ask him to help Luka see the way of the Lord... something like that.   Big Grin


#56
(09-28-2020, 10:08 PM)KillerLeft Wrote: Saving this article here for future reference. This is an example of what is NOT the future of center play in the NBA.

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/how-d...azers-win/

Good find.   Definitely highlights a basic challenge for most of today's centers.  
How many have the lateral quickness to stay with Damian Lillard, esp. when he's in a shooting zone. 

Quote:On the one hand, this was a masterful performance by Lillard. He's playing at an extremely high level and deserves all the credit for the way he willed his team to victory. At the same time, Porzingis and the Mavericks didn't exactly put on a defensive clinic


In other words, the defense was poor from the Mavericks, on an individual level by KP and whoever is guarding Lillard and the strategic adjustments are too slow coming.  

This is where its chess vs chess. Let's just focus on this particular defensive challenge. 

KP in those situations can play more than just all the way up or way back out of the play which many of those clips demonstrate. 
He has to be searching out the sweet spot in the middle on those plays and shuffle in that area.  Don't make it easy to read quickly for the guard/wing.    
The sweet spot is where he can make Dame have to at least slow down and think if KP is up enough blow by immediately or if he has free clearance to easily shoot over that enormous wingspan. 

While Dame is thinking his defender can fight over the screen, maybe go under sometimes to again not give Dame the same look. 
Many times now watching the good defensive teams we see the defender chase and bother, rush or even block the shot from the behind. 
KP has to buy the defender that extra second with his spacing and his wingspan. 

Sure it's a tall task against Dame but it could be done much better than those clips show.  
Lillard had a walk in the park over and over. Just rushing him more often could drop a 61 pt game down to a 57 or 55 with a few misses.


  


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